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Post by wmontanez on Jan 5, 2011 17:43:07 GMT -8
Gunnarsk,
I took part of the conversation started from the other thread about TPS here.
You talk about a store bought Aspargeskartofler which here is the one known as La Ratte and your mom's Aspargeskartofler red skin/pink flesh is a very interesting variation. Can you post a picture to see that variation? That would be a good comparison growing them side by side and sampling them after harvest. Keep us posted if you get TPS from your 2 types of Aspargeskartofler's.
When are you sowing TPS?. I am thinking March for this summer/fall harvest of the Open Polinated TPS I got from Tom's tiny tuber sampler . I sowed some TPS in October to try to get F2 in the garden this spring and harvest in October...let's see... But I am delighted to have an Amey X seedling showing red stems, possibly crossed with another of Tom's varieties by bees (cause I did not attemp to cross any myself).
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Post by GunnarSK on Jan 6, 2011 4:40:21 GMT -8
I will plant seed potatoes in late April (Good Friday is the traditional day here), and try both kinds of "Aspargeskartofler" (although the ones from my mother's garden may not be true) as well as Russian Blue F2 (two-three yellowish seed potatoes after I lost the purple ones) and saved Cream Potatoes from here, which are not likely to set berries. TPS I'll sow in February or March but not plant outside until May after our last frost.
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Post by GunnarSK on Jan 7, 2011 12:10:34 GMT -8
I know there are photos of the two different kinds of seed potatoes somewhere, but I have to wait for my wife to upload them on the computer.
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Post by richard on Jan 22, 2011 15:42:35 GMT -8
Hello you two,great to see some other familiar names ,thought it would be a good idea to join up here also.
Richard (Medbury Gardens)
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Post by wmontanez on Jan 22, 2011 18:15:24 GMT -8
Welcome! I am glad you did. I am patiently waiting for spring to start potato season.
Wendy
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Post by GunnarSK on Jan 23, 2011 8:27:11 GMT -8
Welcome! I am glad you did. I am patiently waiting for spring to start potato season. Wendy Me too, of course. I'll try to popularise TPS here in Poland, but so far it looks like I might be the only one using them in this great potato growing country (of course that can't be true, as there are breeders too, but maybe no other amateurs) and there is some interest. This year I'll be growing TPS from Wendy, Tom and Durgan, and I hope to get my own TPS too. If it produced a spud and survived the hard freeze in late November and December, I have something growing from you as well, Richard.
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Post by svalli on Jan 23, 2011 10:27:13 GMT -8
I started my 2011 season already. I could not wait anymore and week ago I sowed some TPS, which Wendy sent to me, on top of moist vermiculite in a deli container, where I have couple of African Violets rooting. Today I noticed six tiny seedlings there. I am surprised of the quick germination in a cool location. Now I have to to buy some potting mix for transplanting.
Sari
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Post by richard on Jan 23, 2011 11:00:21 GMT -8
My plans for the coming seasons when it comes to growing TPS potatoes are that i dont intend on trying any breeding work at all,i'm just happy to try out more different types instead. My three kids are at present growing various other things (onoins and leek plants) for pocket money and i'm thinking that TPS grown seed potatoes would be another good one to help them get started in also. What i think is the best way to get this up and running is to try a range of different types from Tom myself to see how they look and grow in this envelopment,then the second season the kids can grow them in there own gardens,the largest potatoes can be sold to local restaurants and the rest we will sell on Trademe,which is like EBay here in New Zealand. I can see that selling many of these TPS will do well here as there's a every narrow selection of seed potatoes available to the home gardener here through garden centers ,what there is are only white and rather boring.
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Post by wmontanez on Jan 23, 2011 14:56:39 GMT -8
That is great news Sari. I have in my notes that from 2009 TPS seed, the seedling seed tubers from the segregation that I will grow this spring are breaking dormancy. I planted them in the ground in late May and harvest them in early October. None set berries or flowers for me.
The pink skin and white skin tubers are breaking dormancy after 3 months in storage. But the 2 types of blue skin/blue flesh are not, this might be of interest to you that live in the north with longer winters than me in the northeast USA. But the short dormancy for the other 2 might benefits people that want to grow them quickly between seasons or to time better the planting for later harvest.
I started some TPS in October to try to get the tiny tubers as seed to plant this spring...but they are growing very slowly. I am waiting for longer days to start sowing TPS seeds.
Wendy
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Post by cortona on Jan 23, 2011 16:33:38 GMT -8
my potato growing season are started, i've recived some little pureja tubers from a friend in uk and it start to sprout so ive plant it in pots and put it in my greenhouse in order to have some plants(i want to try take cuttings "slips" from this to enlarge the production, and i hope to start the wendy's tps next month in the g.h.too any tips about taking cuttings are realy welcome! Emanuele
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Post by GunnarSK on Jan 28, 2011 11:34:58 GMT -8
Is there a bigger chance that my "Aspargeskartofler" from seed spuds will set fruit (and hence produce TPS) if I try to hand-pollinate them? Guess this is also a question, if the problem is self-incompatibility or lacking ability to produce fruit (berries).
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Post by GunnarSK on Feb 13, 2011 3:06:33 GMT -8
I ordered these TPS from Tom's new site:
Orangutan Pokhipsie Mazama Blue Pig Knuckles Diamond Toro Gold Caesar Kiva Land Races Quarter Master Red White and Blue Redder Blood
For now I haven't sown any (or other seeds), but I'll probably start TPS and peppers in early March.
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 13, 2011 9:29:11 GMT -8
Gunnar,
Your seed order went out two days ago and I believe it had two packing slips.
I am convinced after quite a few orders for TPS....that you and others will assuredly develop public awareness of growing potatoes from the great diversity that TPS will offer.
Just looking at your list of TPS again makes me happy that the combination of selections which you have made will generate upwards of 500 seedling potatoes with just about every color combination of skin and flesh color, along with round, oval, long, and fingerling shapes. Trying to save all of those clones would not be advised, however at the rate of 10% selection ratios....you should be able to keep about 50 new clones for further reproduction! A bonus for any kept selection is that it will have berries and that TPS would have a greater value for distribution within your own neighborhood/country.
If, in Gunnar's case, those 500 seedling clones do well in the first year, averaging maybe a pound each, the select 50 (10%) are saved for replanting and the other 450 clones of 450 lbs could be just eaten. Nice not to have to waste anything grown.
The select 50 hills grown out for the second season could produce a bit more per hill or even a lot more...maybe two pounds per hill. Cutting up the first year seedling tubers to plant 10 hills would produce 500 hills producing maybe 1000 lbs. If you only like 5 new varieties at this time that means you have 900 lbs. to eat leaving the preferred 5 clones of 10 lbs. each to plant for the third year. Those five could plant 100 hills each creating a sustainable cropping of potatoes on the same unit of land each year.
BTW, Gunnar, your question...
As any variety starts to blooming for me I try to collect pollen from the mature flowers and self the flowers on several plants of the same variety and especially open up the flower buds on slightly immature ones to get the pollen on the stigma days before it would shed pollen on its own. It works sometimes on varieties difficult to get berry set. I naturally tag the flower cluster with the date and word SELF to facilitate seed extraction and detail.
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Post by wmontanez on Feb 13, 2011 13:38:04 GMT -8
That's a nice list Gunnarsk! You have 2 of the ones I wanted too (Orangutan and Redder Blood) but had to cut the list a bit since I couldn't decide between so many varieties.
Well today I placed an order anyway... This year I have too many TPS to grow so, I will try a just a few of each.
Suytu Vilquina Yungay Huagalina Skagit Beets Squat Orange La Pan
1lb Potato sampler (tubers)
Tom,
I noticed my Paypal account says the name of my husband so I put my name in the shipping address and made the comment "For the tropics" on shipping date when ordering the sampler to get your attention. I did not see a comment box. If you can make selections of the varieties more suited for the Caribbean would be great. You mentioned the trichome hairs etc in early discussions.
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 14, 2011 9:04:33 GMT -8
Wendy,
Your order made sense on PayPal, it allowed your comments to be understood well. Thanks
You and I are commenting back and forth through a variety of forums, private messages, etc., and I am trying to stay ahead of the communication required to run a forum, assist on other forums, run a seed business, and perform the research and growing chores that are fast interweaving.
Thanks for reminding me of the trichome thing. I have a Peruvian line -GABRIELA- that is now in the trichome tuber lines and TPS from the crossing of King Harry (NY131) along with Bintje, Stina clones. The idea is to get insect protection by hairy leaves rather than to spray. I don't have any pure GABRIELA potato tubers or TPS, but a Fripapa potato variety that has replaced GABRIELA in Peru.....is in good supply both as tubers and TPS. A comparison of the two lines in the Caribbean might be fun.
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