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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 4, 2013 16:33:06 GMT -8
I made a cross to one of my dwarf Shadow Boxing tomato plants yesterday. I used pollen from Indigo Rose to make some hybrid seed. I have high hopes for the hybrid as a stand alone hybrid to market but even more as the filial generations give me even more 'Tomato Porn' to look at. Here is a full sib of my Washington plant with one in Hawaii. Thanks tomwagnerseeds.com Notice the nipple on the fruits and the near dazzling areola around it.  |
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Post by jayb on Jul 12, 2013 9:33:08 GMT -8
These look gorgeous, I shall dream the plants I have growing produce tomatoes as beautiful.
Tom, what's the dwarf pedigree with these? I'm also wondering on how tall they will grow? At the moment a couple of mine are very compact with very dense growth. The other two, although still quite short, are a little more straggly.
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Post by jayb on Jul 12, 2013 10:24:39 GMT -8
This is one of the more compact ones approx 1' high at the moment, no fruit set at the moment.  This ones foliage is not so dense and the plant is a little taller. Fun to see quite long/pointy fruits developing  .  |
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 12, 2013 15:24:49 GMT -8
The Shadow Boxing lines I have are showing great disparity of many traits. I am not sure how I am going to settle out all the strains.
The pedigree is complicated and I am not looking at my pedigree books at the moment...but I know on the maternal lines I started with either a pure Green Sleeves or an F-2 (Green Sleeves x Unk) crossed with pollen from a dwarf red that harkens back to a cross between a round red cherry type and a larger fruited but red very long roma type that hopefully carries some of the original VFN background.
This selection was used as a female vine crossed with pollen from my Bearded Cossack line that has Black Russian, Woolly Green Zebra and an OSU Blue.
The breeding selections were made several generations with no dwarfs involved. Later on dwarf segregants were found because I was inadvertently saving compact vines that carried the dwarf gene.
So many selections are looking different...some round...some roma...some very long like the Green Sleeves (Green Sausage)...some striped, some not...some blue..some not...some woolly..some not...etc., etc. I have some that are very indeterminate.
Because of the nature of the selection work...most of the dwarf segregants will be determinate...with concentrated set...fruits 2 to 3 oz....majority elongated fruit..but when they are round..they stay round...but the nipple gene seems to be present in most. Because of the filial levels my customers have taken the Shadow Boxing...I may have to request seed samples back to put together some divergent seed inventory.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 13:56:12 GMT -8
The colors are just bleeding everywhere. Kind of like a burning bush CharRed. I am definitely interested in growing this one. Won't the sharp nipple poke other tomatoes? I had some of those sharp nipple (acorn-like) on Gold Keeper.
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 16, 2013 14:01:53 GMT -8
Nippled tomatoes have been a problem for tomato inspectors...and they tend to mark lots of tomatoes that have them are defective. Trying to get a fresh market roma to the grocery store meant discarding many roma types with nipples. Tumbling along a grading line can be a problem more for he points being damaged than for damaging other fruits. The Nipple gene is so important for controlling several problems...catfacing..BER..etc.
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Post by heirloomchef on Jul 23, 2013 15:40:49 GMT -8
I've ended up with 18 Shadow Boxing plants this year from 5 different lines I got from other growers last fall. I've got several distinct phenotypes showing up, I took pictures of these last night. There are a number of other variants in the field, but a thunderstorm rolled in before I cataloged everything. Reports of good flavor from last year have me excited for these to start ripening soon. I am hopeful that the dwarf plants have the same fruit as the picture above, but they're just about marble sized now Shadow Boxing Type 1 - plum shaped, strong anthocyanin expression in fruit, stripes ![Shadow Boxing #1]() Shadow Boxing Type 2 - globe shaped, light anthocyanin expression in fruit, strong stripes ![Shadow Boxing #2]() Shadow Boxing Type 3 - nippled plum shape, light anthocyanin expression in fruit, some striping evident ![Shadow Boxing #3]() Shadow Boxing Type 4 - nippled plum shape, strong anthocyanin expression in fruit ![Shadow Boxing #4]() Shadow Boxing Type 5 - Dwarf plants, somewhat round fruit with pronounced nipple, no anthocyanin expression ![Shadow Boxing #5 - Dwarf]() |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 7:58:45 GMT -8
I handed out Dwarf Shadow Boxing seed last year. Good striping but no Aft. I'm not that good with numbers but I was wondering what the ratio was of Aft appearing in dwarf plants versus indeterminate ones? Is it because of the combination of more recessive genes and therefore requiring a much larger growout to find that one plant with both dwarf genes AND Aft?
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Post by heirloomchef on Jul 28, 2013 9:14:14 GMT -8
I believe I do have one dwarf showing up with the combination of stripes and antho, it's hard to say because the fruit are buried in the foliage so the fruit are just showing dark speckles right now. I'll keep you posted! ![Shadow Boxing With Stripes and Antho]() |
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 28, 2013 9:49:24 GMT -8
The huge number of recessives or poorly expressed dominants that are bouncing around in the various Shadow Boxing is both a good thing and a exasperating thing. I need to request from near everybody a sample back of what they have and do a grow out of the various lines. I have some good dwarf lines with heavy antho but the verdict is still out on what is desired
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 10:41:20 GMT -8
I believe I do have one dwarf showing up with the combination of stripes and antho, it's hard to say because the fruit are buried in the foliage so the fruit are just showing dark speckles right now. I'll keep you posted! ![Shadow Boxing With Stripes and Antho]() Cut back the foliage to let more sun in. That is a good looking fruit by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 10:54:40 GMT -8
The huge number of recessives or poorly expressed dominants that are bouncing around in the various Shadow Boxing is both a good thing and a exasperating thing. I need to request from near everybody a sample back of what they have and do a grow out of the various lines. I have some good dwarf lines with heavy antho but the verdict is still out on what is desired How about crossing it to Tumbling Tiger? The foliage on TT is perfect for the wispy, tumbling foliage... Here is a picture of a fruit I just picked for this post Tumbling Tiger:  |
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Post by potatolover on Jul 28, 2013 11:32:09 GMT -8
Some more Shadow Boxing with a bit of a shade/leaf problem.  And what some of them look ripe:  |
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 28, 2013 14:12:22 GMT -8
Thanks, I really like how the fruits almost have their own unique coloration. Tumbling Tiger? Is this one of mine?
The Shadow Boxing I have are now in all kinds of new crosses. Won't know which ones took till I extract sometime in early September.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:50:10 GMT -8
Thanks, I really like how the fruits almost have their own unique coloration. Tumbling Tiger? Is this one of mine? The Shadow Boxing I have are now in all kinds of new crosses. Won't know which ones took till I extract sometime in early September. is an F-1 that I bought from Thompson & Morgan. This is also where I get my Sungold F-1 seed from. |
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