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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 13:33:44 GMT -8
I hope to learn if grafting alleviates any septoria problem or not on Betimes Macbeth. The pasta sauce I made with Betimes Macbeth was super a number of years ago. I don't have any secret recipes. If someone does, it may help Betimes Macbeth find a niche. Betimes is definitely an "umbrella" type plant and bred for containers. If anyone puts it directly in the ground I would suggest a large circle of mulch to prevent splashing of spores onto leaves. But personally I believe this variety is not meant to be planted in the ground... but in pots. Have you tried crossing it with Green Zebra?I hear-tell that Cow's Tit {I call it Cow's Teat because cows don't have tits [they have teats]} is THE best-tasting paste out there. I was thinking of doing this cross in the future as soon as I get some more Betimes Macbeth seed. Are you offering BM at either of your seed sites this year?
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jun 29, 2014 20:45:06 GMT -8
Hah! I made a cross of Betimes Macbeth to Green Zebra Friday afternoon. I also crossed it to Tiny Rachel, Clackamas Blueberry, Helsing Junction Blue, Dwarf Jade, Sub Arctic Plenty, Mr. Snow, Juane Flamme, and Dwarf Shadow Boxing.
I suspect that the foliage of Betimes Macbeth, being so close to the ground, either needs mulching or container growing to minimize the 'splashing' of the soil upon the leaves. I love the hybrids of BM in many combinations..I will probably end up with a hundred different hybrids with it now over the last few years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 14:50:46 GMT -8
Hah! I made a cross of Betimes Macbeth to Green Zebra Friday afternoon. I also crossed it to Tiny Rachel, Clackamas Blueberry, Helsing Junction Blue, Dwarf Jade, Sub Arctic Plenty, Mr. Snow, Juane Flamme, and Dwarf Shadow Boxing. I suspect that the foliage of Betimes Macbeth, being so close to the ground, either needs mulching or container growing to minimize the 'splashing' of the soil upon the leaves. I love the hybrids of BM in many combinations..I will probably end up with a hundred different hybrids with it now over the last few years. The Sub-Arctic Plenty cross has me very interested.Please let me know how the Sub-Arctic Plenty cross goes and I will do a large F-2 growout here in Michigan when the time comes.
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Post by DarJones on Jul 4, 2014 23:24:30 GMT -8
I'd rather see a cross of Betimes Macbeth X LA3969 or Betimes Macbeth X Earlinorth. Why? Because each carries unique genetics that could be highly complementary. Betimes Macbeth X Sub Arctic Plenty would just be a cross of an extra early X a large early.
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 5, 2014 11:26:05 GMT -8
Rest assured, Betimes Macbeth will be used in a variety of crosses. The seed Darrel sent is growing down in San Diego and will like not be used in crosses right away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 12:46:39 GMT -8
I'd rather see a cross of Betimes Macbeth X LA3969 or Betimes Macbeth X Earlinorth. Why? Because each carries unique genetics that could be highly complementary. Betimes Macbeth X Sub Arctic Plenty would just be a cross of an extra early X a large early. Thank you for that bit of wisdom Darrel.
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 7, 2014 20:54:07 GMT -8
Good Lord, No. It has more than that....the frost resistance and keeping abilities in cool nights is part of the magic. Nobody is working with the 77280 lines as I am. Container growing is a plus side of breeding with BM.
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Post by DarJones on Jul 7, 2014 22:30:16 GMT -8
Earlinorth has the ft gene for fruiting temperature. It can set normal fruit at temps down to 40F. While it is not specifically rated for cold tolerance, the ability of flowers to pollinate and set fruit at 40F is a highly useful trait.
LA3969 has the introgression from S. Habrochaites chromosome 12 that results in plants that grow and thrive at temps between 32F and 45F.
Sub Arctic Plenty is a useful line to work with mostly because it has enhanced stress tolerance. It is not however cold tolerant. I grew it in my garden last year specifically to test the cold tolerance. It failed at 40F along with 99% of the plants in my garden. It would be a very good variety to grow in the Washington climate because of the stress tolerance genes. It is not so good here in Alabama because spring conditions do not include so many variable days with cool to cold nights.
The short list I put together last year: Jagodka - ultra early compact determinate golf ball size fruit with moderate flavor Nevskiy Red - determinate dwarf bush with slightly oblate 2.5 to 3 inch fruits with good flavor Krainey Sever - Compact determinate dwarf plant with relatively high fruit production, nice size and flavor Sasha's Altai - Determinate, relatively high production, very good flavor, very useful for breeding! Sub Arctic Plenty - very stress tolerant determinate, flavor is poor in cold weather. Earlinorth - has the ft gene for fruit set at very low temps, very useful for breeding LA3969 - distinctly tolerant of cool to cold temps in my garden, highest usefulness for breeding. I-3 and O-33 were two relatively similar Russian varieties with good epigenetic cold temp tolerance Bloody Butcher - This is the best flavored of the early tomatoes I grow. PI120256 - Costoluto Genovese type, high production, noted for cold tolerance in the 32F to 45F range.
Of the above, I'd love to see Sasha's Altai X Earlinorth, Bloody Butcher X Earlinorth, Jagodka X Earlinorth, Jagodka X LA3969, Jagodka X Bloody Butcher, and LA3969 crossed to any of the above. I had not grown Betimes Macbeth until this year, but I rated it as similar in many ways to Jagodka as an extra early variety on a compact determinate plant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:50:19 GMT -8
Of the 9 seeds you sent me in 2011 6 were of "normal" size and 3 were very small. Somehow I neglected to save seed and only a week or so ago I pulled the packet out of my seed stash and put those 3 seeds in some soil [on 1-25] to see if they would sprout. Lo and behold just this morning 1-29 I found one sprout.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:54:51 GMT -8
I'd rather see a cross of Betimes Macbeth X LA3969 or Betimes Macbeth X Earlinorth. Why? Because each carries unique genetics that could be highly complementary. Betimes Macbeth X Sub Arctic Plenty would just be a cross of an extra early X a large early. I got some LA3969 from the TGRC. And I have some Jagodka and Nevskiy Red coming to me very soon. Thank you for the recommended crosses Darrel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 12:17:07 GMT -8
As of 2-16-2015: These are under a 450 watt LED light now 36 inches above the plants: Betimes Macbeth
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 16:20:37 GMT -8
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Post by Tom Wagner on Apr 26, 2015 7:31:59 GMT -8
TOMATEN 291430 KERSTOMAAT 'Kanaan' (Engels: Cherry Tomato) (Lycopersicon pimpinellifolium)
I have been working with an F-2 of Betimes Macbeth x Kanaan in my crossing that I have named Betimes Kanaan. The original cross was made by my friend Rob Wagner. I crossed the Betimes Kanaan to many varieties to get F-1 seed that is being extracted now. The BK strain blooms profusely even off the sides of leaves making it quite precocious and productive on a compact plant.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:11:30 GMT -8
Betimes Macbeth:
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Post by Tom Wagner on May 17, 2015 21:29:56 GMT -8
My one quarter Betimes Macbeth seedlings are emerging nicely...hope to get another cross on them and more
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