canadamike
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Post by canadamike on Jan 25, 2008 15:47:20 GMT -8
I just found a non-dwarf tree tomato, RED RUSSIAN on the Victory seeds site. I would love to cross it with a bi-color and a black one to get new tree types.
Have you toyed with a similar idea? Any other tree types to recommend? A particular bi-color or black ? Michel zone 4
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Post by tatermater on Jan 26, 2008 9:57:53 GMT -8
Michel,
I don't recall that I have grown RED RUSSIAN, let alone crossed it with anything.
I would guess that almost any bicolor or black would work. I have used Pineapple and Black Brandywine, among others, at various times.
Normally when I think of tree type tomatoes, indeterminate dwaves come to mind. Non-Dwarf tree tomatoes reminds me of the Burgess Triple-Crop of years ago. Tall with less branching than most.
Maybe if I want to be selfish and help you in this regard, someone could send some the RED RUSSIAN seed to me! I could easily compare it to other growth types. Batant Hint!
Otherwise, I will have to explore the literature for Tree Tomatoes.
Tom Wagner
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Post by papavic on Jan 26, 2008 11:03:58 GMT -8
Tom,
I recently received some old Red Russian seeds from Fusion and earlier the same day ordered some fresh seed from Victory. If you'd like, I'll send a few of each, but I need your address.
Thanks for answering my questions about Banana Legs as I was wondering whether the striped characteristics in subsequent offspring came from BL or the other parents. Hmmmm ... Elberta Girl???
Bill
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Post by canadamike on Jan 26, 2008 11:44:11 GMT -8
i have ordered some from Victory but . Ihaven't got any yet I will be happy to oblige if Papavic haven't preceded me, or even after if you need more.
It is apparently, if we believe Victory, New-Zealand favorite garden tomato
Michel
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Post by tatermater on Jan 26, 2008 11:47:42 GMT -8
Bill,
Thanks for the offer.
When I am on the public forums, not of my own, I am generally amiss about requesting seed since I don't usually send out my own.
This forum is more my baby than I ever thought it could be. So if you send seed, and that means anybody, please understand that it is for breeding purposes only that I intend to use any variety sent to me. I likely will never resend the seed elsewhere.
If and/or when I have a for profit enterprise, I don't want to be conflicted as I have been most of my life. Too bad. I want to share with everyone but I think I owe to to my next generation of potential varieties that I have a support structure in place to increase by seed, do the breeding work, have a facility for storing, and otherwise allowing my work to be my livelihood of sorts.
I live in a condo, miles away from any soil for planting.
Tom Wagner 8407 18th Ave. West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 425 512-0313 Cell 425 894 1123
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Post by tatermater on Jan 26, 2008 11:55:42 GMT -8
Thanks in advance to anyone sending me seed.
If it is alright with everyone, if you want to send me seed to explore, use in breeding, etc., just send it!!
BTW, Banana Legs is a yellow stripes on yellow. When the BL is immature it looks like a green stripe. Green Nails is a ancestor of BL.
That means that all of my stripes go back to a common ancestor.
The ancestor strain was awful to say the least. Not many stripes and not much of a tomato. My Striped Cherry is a case in point. I wonder if anyone has that cultivar of mine?
Years ago, I perfected the strip pattern in a few clones and the result is evident in tomatoes such as Green Zebra.
Again, only if you WANT to send me seed!!!!
Tom Wagner 8407 18th Ave. West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 425 512-0313 Cell 425 894 1123
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Post by canadamike on Jan 26, 2008 14:12:17 GMT -8
Tom, we exchange seeds for the fun of it. I always see it as a ''for profit'' thing, since I make ''reverse'' money by saving a lot growing my own salsas, suces, juice, ketchup and all. If anybody could make some form of living thanks to the (unprobable) tomato I sent, I would only feel honored and happy, and I feel pretty confident that the folks already here feel the same.
If Alan grows some veggies that are good sellers because one of us sent him seeds of a new a great variety, everybody will be happy, you included I am sure. What's the difference between selling fruits or seeds to make a decent living?
You are better than I am at breeding of course, but I am no idiot at gardening. I would be honored to contribute time and effort if I can help with some trials or whatever, exploring with you would be a great learning experience, and that is the only payback I would be expecting.
Michel
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Post by tatermater on Jan 26, 2008 16:04:26 GMT -8
Michel,
If I could buy the all seed that I want to use for breeding and chalk it up a a business venture expense, that is one thing; I don't buy many varieties. I have to watch my seemingly nonexistent budget. I have so many varieties that I created and need to increase that I have to put boughten seed on a lower priority of grow outs.
So many people have some fairly new seed that is being bandied about and trade what excess they have with good cheer. I, however, have seed that only I have and trading just doesn't seem right in the proprietary realm of things. I suppose I should offer to trade my breeders seed (original line perpetuating by the creator) for some of the trade offers. I have not in the past, found a way that secures my place in the variety trade.
My son was looking at my new forum and blog pages today and said, "Dad, you have a big ego!", and I told him it comes with the territory of having things or knowledge that others may want someday. My son, Kaighin, is a certified culinarian, and has grown up with my unique colors and flavors of fruits and vegetables.
Tom Wagner
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Post by canadamike on Jan 26, 2008 21:48:57 GMT -8
I understand very well, and respect it very much.
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