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Post by ts on Feb 7, 2010 8:39:30 GMT -8
Hi all! Newcomer as you know. Thanks for such an informative site! What an eye opener!
Can someone give me some info on this seed? How this one came about, what to expect? I've had an interest for several years towards TPS and my search brings me here. Some years back when dad was alive, he played a bit with TPS, and rethinking my younger days growing with him has resparked my interest.
The Zolushka is all I could find. I'm more of a red potato person, Red Pontiac being my favorite for taste.
Happy to read some work being done towards LB resistant tomatoes!!! My entire fall crop got took out from this last fall. Some newly released hyrids. Looking forward to the day to try a few LB resistant tomatoes!
I appreciate any input. Thanks!
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 7, 2010 23:03:41 GMT -8
TS, thanks for signing in as a member. The Tater Mater forum is what you want it to be after I put my two cents in. The site is a hybrid between a blog, forum and email service. Not as busy as some and not quite a social hang out place so much. I try to focus on tomatoes and potatoes and how it may relate to my work and potentially yours.
I've talked with the folks responsible for this seed (Zolushka) years ago and I remember Hans R. when he was in California. Long story, but that for another time.
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Post by ts on Feb 8, 2010 4:01:12 GMT -8
Thans for the reply!
Yes, after reading the pages here, I now see that you do offer TPS. I will be getting in contact with you!
Thanks again!
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Post by ts on Feb 8, 2010 15:50:11 GMT -8
Question...I'm a little unclear on this, when placing several TPS seed for germination, does one thin to just one plant after sprouting? Or...allow growth as is? Thanks
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Post by PatrickW on Feb 10, 2010 1:19:46 GMT -8
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 10, 2010 6:21:04 GMT -8
Thanks, Patrick, for answering Ts's question.
However, I probably should add that I usually don't thin the seedlings to the strongest plant, but do so indirectly. I try to sow TPS in multiples (4-12) in the 72 cell pack inserts---maybe 48 to 144 cell inserts--in order to get the seedlings to grow a bit spindly and tall for transplanting to yet quicly transplant to another cell system about when the seedlings are at the first to third true seed leaf stage. True potato seed does not all germinate at the same rate--some right away, others at intervals of usually days apart, even weeks apart----thus thinning may eliminate some otherwise strong seedlings. If I have plenty of seedlings of a particular F-2 or F-1 combination, I may at field transplanting time save only the strongest plants. Un-thrifty seedlings at 6 to 9 weeks old most often produce poor yielding single hills.
Since potato seedling germinate, grow, and produce at widely different rates, you have got to forget thinking they are like tomato plants--OP and hybrid tomatoes are remarkably uniform by comparison. Thinning those tomato runts is a good idea, but potato seedlings have a personality of their own, and this is probably why I am a tater mater. The more I cross up potatoes---the more different personalities I find. TPS is like snow flakes--no two are alike!
Potato seedlings must be transplanted soon after germination or they get too spindly and fall over, break, but mostly don't develop the root system that ensues along the stem and leaf nodes. The thing you want in a seedling to take to the field is one that is not trying to tuberize but a very juvenile and vegetative start. Nothing is worse than a seedling that is already going through senescence. That is why the so-called first TPS in the USA--Explorer---failed so miserably back in the introductory year. Folks would buy a six pack of Explorer potato seedling and the plants already had tubers---bad idea--the vigor was lost.
Every time I write about potato seedlings, I feel like I am leaving something out. To explain things fully seems to be over-kill but if one would read some of my previous posts here and elsewhere---you may get a better picture to prepare yourself for growing potatoes from true seed!
Tom Wagner
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Post by PatrickW on Feb 10, 2010 8:42:11 GMT -8
Tom, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to put words into your mouth. I shouldn't have tried to answer the question. That's why I linked to the video, with the intention ts would hear the explanation from you. Now that you write what you did, it puts some more questions in my mind. First of all, I start my seedlings under a growlight. I guess it comes from a lot of people growing marijuana indoors, but growlights are common and cheap here. Anyway, that means my seedlings get a lot more light than normal, and my tomatoes at least never get spindly. But also when I start tomatoes indoors, I usually start them in a tray and prick out the seedlings into individual pots, where I bury them deeply -- usually to the top few leaves. If they are too spindly, they will of course break, but otherwise the spindly part of the seedling gets buried. I then usually bury them again deeply when I transplant them into the garden. Can I take this approach with potatoes? Actually, I made a post on this a while ago, so you can see pictures here: www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/02/tomato-transplant/ |
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Post by canadamike on Feb 10, 2010 16:44:19 GMT -8
What you just describe is about what Tom said to do all over the 3 countries I visited with him during our trip. I have done it with great success. Following Tom's recommandations, I also transplant them in a trench and keep filling it up to the last 2 leaves, then, when there is no more trench, I wait a bit and start hilling like I do other potatoes. Some have given me a harvest that is superior to the commercial average...
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Post by thefuture on Feb 11, 2010 9:09:01 GMT -8
Patrick,
The videos you posted more than made up for any misintepretation on yor part. Classic stuff. TW's explanation of the competitive nature of the plants and burying the leaves with successive transplants was excellent. Combine this with varying germination periods which don't neccesarily indicate strength of the plant, though and you have to stomach the idea that only one of those seedling per cell is going to eventually make it. The trench to hill sequence post planting in place, sounds....perfect.
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Post by ts on Feb 15, 2010 9:08:00 GMT -8
Thank you all very much for the info and links. Very rewarding to say the least!
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Post by ts on Feb 18, 2010 12:43:52 GMT -8
I do believe the Zoluska seed will be a bust. 14 days no germination. Too much moisture won't be to blame I'm sure.
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Post by karamazovv on Feb 19, 2010 0:18:45 GMT -8
Hi everyone! I sow zolushka TPS yesterday, and i will see when they germinate. My indoor system of growth is the same as pepper and tomatoes growth. Turboneon, 2x55W, 10 000 lumens and 6500K. Enjoy with TPS  |
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Post by karamazovv on Mar 14, 2010 23:33:58 GMT -8
Some news of my zolushka:  |
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Post by karamazovv on Mar 26, 2010 11:58:12 GMT -8
Some news of my zolushka and other TPS: - Zoluchka:   - Deva:  - Milena:  - Ilena:   |
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Post by canadamike on Mar 27, 2010 17:30:02 GMT -8
Just got 2 true potato seeds enveloppes all writen in cyrillic language from Hristo Hristov in Slovenia. Their translated names are ''Farmer'' ans ''Emperor''...Will see.... I hope it is as excitng gowing them as it is growing Wagner's potatoes...
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