Sarpo naming conventions

[tz]

Last year Tom sent me Sarpo Mirage, Sarpo Finger, Sarpo Tongue, and Mira Mira. In the back of my mind I seem to recall that the Sarpo name only went onto those progeny that retained the Late Blight resistance, but now I'm thinking that it wa maybe a difference between F1 and F2. When I try crossing these"Sarpos" this summer I want to concentrate on the blight resistant varieties, so my question is why is Mira Mira not named Sarpo something?

[Tom Wagner]

Last year Tom sent me Sarpo Mirage, Sarpo Finger, Sarpo Tongue, and Mira Mira. In the back of my mind I seem to recall that the Sarpo name only went onto those progeny that retained the Late Blight resistance, but now I'm thinking that it wa maybe a difference between F1 and F2. When I try crossing these"Sarpos" this summer I want to concentrate on the blight resistant varieties, so my question is why is Mira Mira not named Sarpo something?

The Sarpo naming conventions of the The Sárvári Research based out of Wales indicates that new varieties with late blight resistance will have the prefix Sarpo in their names. I am not part of that organization but I respect the need to have those monikers, In fact, I use cognomen conventions....started as nicknames, the purpose becoming hereditary names.

The very first variety I identified with a name out of my vast F-2 populations of Sarpo Mira was a seedling hill that had berries. I wanted a name that would imply familial remembrance. I thought for just a minute and came up with Mira Mira. This implies naming as in a junior as in John John...the son of JFK. Mira is a Slavic girl's name. When I thought Mira Mira, I was also thinking of the Spanish "Mira, mira" which means "Look, look"

The potato hill I dug was begging me to look-look. I knew that I would remember where the Mira name came from. The next clone I named was Sarpo Mirage....and this is where I started my Sarpo name grouping. It was automatic for me as this clone looked like a veritable image of Mira Mira.

Sarpo Finger was a pun for Sharp Finger, a knife....Schrade Old Timer Sharp Finger, but also a long fingerling potato.

I have named several dozen Sarpo lines...most with Sarp or Sarpo in the prefixes. These clones...sent out to various states as single clones will hopefully demonstrate some Late Blight resistance. Since Sarp is pronounced Sharp....some of my varieties have neat names...Sarp Eye, Sarp Lookout, etc.

Using a common prefix in naming potato varieties is not new. For example

Dunbar
Ulster
Maris
Pentland
Arran
Kufri

Are listed among many potato variety names.

I have many potato varieties I have named that imply the maternal parent. I sometimes modify the name.
Nordic
Azul
Amey
Navy for Navan
Kern from Kern Toro
etc.

Blue is becoming a common prefix for me. Just yesterday I named a number of seedling hill clones from Blue Rose...thus, Blue Fox, Blue Zest, and Blue Doll.
I had to have names as I came across bags of selections that did not have names. Who wants to name them numbers such as 1531810 #14?

Azul y Azul is a cross of Negro y Azul and Blue Ox. It is a near look-alike of the female parent and the Azul y Azul is repetitious much like the Mira Mira is repetitious. I don't know how many times I had to get the attention of a class of kids whose first and only language was Spanish, by saying Mira Mira. Many times as a sub teacher I have had to use Spanish like radio tiempo todo el tiempo. It was like saying ....look at me...look at me!

A mnemonic device, is any learning technique that aids memory. Commonly encountered mnemonics are often verbal, such as a very short poem or a special word used to help a person remember something, particularly lists, but a mnemonic may instead be visual, kinesthetic or auditory. Mnemonics rely on associations between easy-to-remember constructs which can be related back to the data that is to be remembered. This is based on the principle that the human mind much more easily remembers spatial, personal, surprising, sexual or humorous or otherwise meaningful information

In the past, especially in the USA, potatoes were named for Native American Tribes...Kennebec, Katahdin, Cherokee, Lenape, Nooksack, Nampa, Chieftain, Chippewa, Menominee, Seminole, 0zette, etc. Sometimes they are named for important potato people...Harley Blackwell....The name Amey is in
recognition of Robert G. Amey, etc.

Tom Wagner

[tz]

Thanks Tom.

I was remembering the first part about the Sárvári naming.

[GunnarSK]

Funny that you mention Mira as a Slavic girl's name, Tom. In Czech and Polish, it is short for Miroslava/Miros³awa, and the proper diminutive/familiar form is Mirka. My elder daughter's second name is Mira, which is also the name of a star and happened to be in the Danish register of names and so could be used without special permission. Her maternal aunt is Miros³awa.

[tz]

You need special permission to name children? Here they will let you name you kid anything stupid you want,... except for Adolf Hitler.

[Tom Wagner]

While other Scandinavian countries have similar laws on names for children, Denmark's is the strictest.

People expecting children can choose a pre-approved name from a government list of 7,000 mostly Western European and English names - 3,000 for boys, 4,000 for girls.

The child's name

A child must have at least 1 first name, but it may have several.

In general, you must give your child a name that has been approved by the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs. The list of approved names can be seen at the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs website (Kirkeministeret) or at the parish priests or the church office.

If you want to give your child a name not on the list, the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs must approve it. Parents who are or have been foreign nationals are allowed to give their child a name that is not approved in Denmark, as long as the name is approved as first name in the country of the parents nationality.

If the parents have the same family name the child will automatically get this name. If the parents have different family names they can choose to give the child the mothers or the fathers family name. The child can get the other family name as a middle name.

paguro.net/expat-life/local/denmark/all-documents-denmark/denmark-born-abroad

In Denmark, a country that embraces rules with the same gusto that Italy defies them, choosing a first and last name for a child is a serious, multitiered affair, governed by law and subject to the approval of the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs and the Ministry of Family and Consumer Affairs.

At its heart, the Law on Personal Names is designed to protect Denmark's innocents - the children who are undeservedly, some would say cruelly, burdened by preposterous or silly names. It is the state's view that children should not suffer ridicule and abuse because of their parents' lapses in judgment or their misguided attempts to be hip. Denmark, like much of Scandinavia, prizes sameness, not uniqueness, just as it values usefulness, not frivolousness.

"You shouldn't stand out from anyone else here; you shouldn't think you are better than anyone else," said Lan Tan, a 27-year-old Danish woman of Singaporean and Malaysian descent who is trying to win approval for her daughter's name, Frida Mei Tan-Farndsen. "It's very Scandinavian."

While other Scandinavian countries, and some like France, have similar laws, Denmark's is the strictest. So strict that the Danish Ministry of Justice is proposing to relax the law to reflect today's Denmark, a place where common-law marriage is accepted, immigration is growing and divorce is routine. The measure, which would add names to the official list, is scheduled for debate in Parliament in November.

"The government, from a historical point of view, feels a responsibility towards its weak citizens," said Rasmus Larsen, chief adviser at the Ministry for Ecclesiastical Affairs, discussing the law. "It doesn't want to see people put in a situation where they can't defend themselves. We do the same in traffic; we have people wear seat belts."

People expecting children can choose a pre-approved name from a government list of 7,000 mostly West European and English names - 3,000 for boys, 4,000 for girls. A few ethnic names, like Ali and Hassan, have recently been added.

But those wishing to deviate from the official list must seek permission at their local parish church, where all newborns' names are registered. A request for an unapproved name triggers a review at Copenhagen University's Names Investigation Department and at the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs, which has the ultimate authority. The law applies only if one of the parents is Danish.

Many parents do not realize how difficult it can be to get a name approved by the government. About 1,100 names are reviewed every year, and 15 percent to 20 percent are rejected, mostly for odd spellings.

Compound surnames, like Tan-Farnsden, also pose a problem.

Parents who try to be creative by naming their child Jakobp or Bebop or Ashleiy (three recent applications) are typically stunned when they are rejected. In some cases, a baby may go without an officially approved name for weeks, even months, making for irate, already sleep-deprived, parents.

Greg Nagan, 39, and Trine Kammer, 32, thought it would be cute to name their new daughter Molli Malou. To their surprise, Malou was not a problem, but Molli with an i, which they had thought sounded Danish, had to be reviewed by the government.

The church told Kammer she needed to state in a letter the reason for choosing Molli. She did so, and said she told the clerk, "Here's your stupid letter: The reason for naming her Molli is because we like it."

"Isn't this silly?" Kammer said. "We love to make everything a rule here. They love to bureaucratize."

The century-old law was initially designed to bring order to surnames. Before the law, surnames changed with every generation: Peter Hansen would name his son Hans Petersen. Then Hans Petersen would name his son Peter Hansen. And on it went, wreaking bureaucratic havoc. The law ended that. It also made it difficult for people to change their last names, a move that was designed to appease the noble class, which feared widespread name-poaching by arrivistes, Nielsen said.

Then in the 1960s, a furor erupted over the first name Tessa, which resembled tisse, which means to urinate in Danish. Distressed over the lack of direction in the law, the Danish government expanded the statute to grapple with first names. Now the law is as long as an average size book.

It falls mostly to Nielsen, at Copenhagen University, to apply the law and review new names, on a case-by-case basis. In a nutshell, he said, Danish law stipulates that boys and girls must have different names, first names cannot also be last names, and bizarre names are O.K. as long as they are "common."

www.nytimes.com/2004/10/08/world/europe/08iht-danes.html?_r=1



I had a strong influence on naming my kids. I will mention my youngest son's name Kael.

It was a name that has Celtic influence from Kael, Luxembourg...close to where my G. G. Grandfather-Tom Wagner was from. But it also is similar to a Manx worl. The Manx word that sounds like Kael is spelled Keil but pronounced Kale as in veil.
The Manx used K almost as much as C since our family Gaelic language had a high infusion of Norse.

Kael

This seems to be a modern respelling of the legitimate name Cael, of Celtic/Gaelic origin. "K" is not a letter native to the language, so it's use in this respelling most certainly is by those of english speaking countries. Cael is the name that bears meaning, Kael being a modern coinage. The meaning of Cael is uncertain, though it is most likely "slender".

Yes my son is slender...he is 6ft 7in. and runs like 13 miles a day sometimes.
Miscellaneous Info for Kael


Popularity Rank of Kael

US top 1000 names, Kael ranks 970th.

My grandfather Kaighin told me a few things about Keeills in the Isle of Man.

Keeill is the standing term for the primitive chapels which once were scattered all over the Isle of Man

An artist’s impression of first Christians outside a keeill
www.gov.im/lib/images/mnh/archaeology/FirstXtians.jpg
www.gov.im/lib/images/mnh/archaeology/ReconKeeil.jpg

The first consecrated burial grounds were established and most were served by a small chapel, known in Manx as a keeill. The keeills were stone, earth or timber-built, but the earliest surviving structures are made of stone and probably had thatched roofs. Furnishings were simple, the most important being the altar placed against the eastern gable. The small size of the keeills show that they were used by the priests, and the congregation remained outside for most services.

goatrevolution.com/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/Manx_museum_cross_names.JPG shows some old Manx first names....but I don't think many would be popular today.

Don't get me started on the history of my first born son...Kaighin.
That would be a long story

Tom Wagner

[graybell]

Maybe I dont know much about Danish tradition, but, the gov. getting involved with the naming of my children bugs me as much as them regulating my seed. Seed get it? Both are seed and they can keep their regulating gov. hands out of it. And everything else for that matter, except for truly protecting the innocent.

[Floro]

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[terryinmichigan]

I've been growing Sarpo Mira the last couple of years. I started in 2017 with some TPS sent by a Kenosha Potato Project member. I have been dealing with health issues so I have not gotten near the results that I have wanted [on a grand scale]. Just a little backyard gardening here on the edge of town in Kalamazoo, Michigan.