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Post by irfahad on Jun 6, 2011 23:56:06 GMT -8
Dear Tom Wagner I need 1 packet each of all of your available TPS varieties. How much it costs? what will be the mode of payment?
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Post by moino007 on Jun 7, 2011 1:14:07 GMT -8
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jun 7, 2011 21:24:48 GMT -8
I had near 60 lines of TPS listed on my website newworldcrops.com as of today, a few are of low supply, and all were priced at $5.00 for an average of 50 seed +-.
The payments can be make mostly with a credit card.
Ran out of time last February to list anymore lines of TPS....I could have listed several hundred but I was afraid some folks might want a few of all of them, therefore I kept it to a minimum.
The following was taken directly from the website:
1st Boy: Yukon Gold types
Awol Again: red tubers with yellow flesh good flavor Boyko Gold: mixed colors mostly red, pink and yellows. most yellow flesh Boys Will Be: Round pinks very yellow flesh Cocoon Khuchi: pale yellow flesh all colors of skin ..blight resistant Desire in Red: pinks to long whites with white flesh Di-Di-DiRus: long russets, white flesh Kassie Winoka: long whites some with pink eyes, yellow flesh Kern Toro/Taresca: reds pinks whites lavender all white flesh Lump O’Gold: oval white to yellow tubers with flesh yellow to white Lumper: Two hundred year old potato from Ireland…white sl. lumpy tubers Mazama Blue: round blues occasionally red skin, some with pink or blue flesh Minnesota Duroc: round red deep yellow flesh Minnie’s Pig: Round yellow with red eyes medium yellow flesh Navamey: round russets white flesh to yellow flesh Nordic JT – red tubers white flesh…good taste Nordic October – very red skin, very white flesh, keeps, resistant to Pink Rot. Northern Can Do: mostly reds, pinks occasional yellows; good blight resistant. Orangutan: light red skin yellow flesh excellent yields Oregon Coast: oval whites Pig Knuckles: red skin occasionally red flesh Pokhipsie: mix of all colors of skin and flesh Potato Bread: very round russets white flesh to light yellow Smiley Blue: Round blues white flesh with occasional blue streaks inside flesh. Tarry: oval whites, white flesh, blue flowers Toresca: Round lavender tubers very white flesh Yungay: round yellow red eye l.yellow flesh, Peruvian melt in your mouth taste 2-6-2011 NEW ADDITIONS!
Awol Dude: This will have many red skinned round tubers with yellow flesh….Outstanding flavor is the norm. Boy Pig: Mostly yellow tubers with slight to heavy red splashes on the skin. Yellow flesh. Good flavor. Caroline Geppert: Many round whites with scab resistance. Good table potato with lots of Wauseon type traits. Cascading Tom: Many oval yellow tubers with yellow flesh. If you are looking for one of the best flavored potatoes for microwaving…this is the top one. Pretty smooth and shiny tubers. SOLD OUT
Designer Roses: Look for super red tubers with white flesh. High yielding tuber lines should be a major concern. You should be able to find that ‘New Potato Flavor” from fresh harvested potatoes through the long storage. Diamond Toro: High yields of mostly blue tubers with blue flesh..as well as a few red skin, red flesh clones. Finishing Up: Several years of recombinant work with Yellow Finn and my Black Hills Gold puts together some excellent flavored yellow potatoes with round to long shapes predominating. Since it is an inbreeding family, care must be given to find the rare high yielders. Gold Caesar: This combines the best of European potato flavor with a heavy dose of Canadian and American bloodlines. The addition of Andean Neo-tuberosum just adds to the mix. Mostly round yellows with yellow flesh.
Gold Thumbs: One of my colorful crosses has been Amarilla Eyes crossed to Thumb Dinger. This is a family from that cross that has hundreds of berries. All colors of fruits and it has colorful fruits to boot. This is a splendid diploid composite. Hearts of Sweden: Searching for a Desiree type of potato…light red skin with some yellow flesh. The main interest I have is to get the recombination of the Rosamunda Swedish variety within the seedlings. Trying to get that “Oh, Yeah” flavor. Huagalina: This old variety from the Andes has good flavor and gorgeous red and yellow splashed round tubers with deep eyes. It will throw many yellow fleshed seedlings with super high tuber counts per hill. Most of the seedlings will have tubers no bigger than golf balls. It is one hardy “Son of a Gun” potato. Johann Peuker: Should segregate for white to brown tubers of a round to slightly flattened appearance. Many will have great scab resistance. Should be good for frying. Low internal problems. King Harry: NY 131 is the experimental name for this white potato with trichome hairs for insect resistance. It is an improvement over the Prince Harry, especially for flavor. The seedlings will segregate for the trichome hairs coming from S. berthaultii. If you grow these, I can help you identify the trichome hairs. Kiva: Mostly round whites with white to pale yellow flesh. This forty year old Danish variety is good for salads and has the chance to yield well. The pedigree goes back to Karma and Up To Date. Good berry producer. La Pan: If you are looking for yellow fleshed fingerling potatoes, this is the one. It combines LaRatte and Gold Pan for a full flavor combination of some of the best tasting potatoes from around the world. Lady Krokar: This is a seedling from Roda Krokar, a Swedish variety that had floury pink fingerling potatoes. Most fingerlings are salad types of potatoes, therefore this one is good for dishes requiring the full texture of a “Queenie”!!! Land Races: This combines the true seed of many individual plants out of a cross of two land races from Bolivia and Peru. All colors will be popping up. Missaukee October: Will produce mostly reds and pinks with white flesh, occasionally a few white skin. Round tubers. Primary interest should be for segregating for Late Blight resistance, Pink Rot resistance. Verticillium Wilt and Golden Cyst Nematode. A few other considerations…most reds do not fry well without turning dark. Many seedlings here will be more versatile for a variety of cooking needs, lower sugars and higher specific gravities. Near Yukon: This one has Yukon Gold in its pedigree and I am looking for some clones with near alike YG as possible but with even better flavor. October Blood: This one will segregate for reds and blues…many with white, red and or blue flesh. Most will be rounds. Phyto Phyter: High yielding white round to oblong tubers with white flesh. Should be a good source of late blight resistance. Phyto is short for late blight and Phyter is a rhyming pun for fighter. Prince Harry: Hoping to improve the flavor of the Prince Harry (different than King Harry) but retain the trichome hairs to implement insect protection. Pest species adversely affected by glandular trichomes include the Colorado potato beetle, green peach aphid, potato leafhopper, potato flea beetle, and spider mites. You should find 100% of the seedlings with round white tubers. Source was NYL 235-4, released about 20 years ago by Cornell. Quarter Master: Looking for shiny round blue tubers with about a quarter of the flesh blue. Red White and Blue: This clone which I no longer have was a reddish purple skinned oval potato with blue and white flesh. Quite a combination, but the seedlings may throw even more surprises. Redder Blood: When I grew out seedlings from the Blue Blood Russet, I was able to get some good red flesh lines. This should segregate for mostly red skin, red flesh clones. Russeto: Every now and then I find a potato clone that doesn’t fit the pedigree and becomes an orphan. The white fleshed russet will segregate for the same. Skagit Beets: Many will be red skin with pink to red flesh. Round to slightly Oblong Squat Orange: I took a Squat Blue that was the result of a diploid cross from Joe Pavek (ADX9502) to my Tres Papas and then crossed it to a Papa Amarilla type to get an outstanding orange fleshed diploid. This one is more complicated than my Skagit Valley Gold…but if you can help me find the deepest orange fleshed potatoes…so be it. SOLD OUT Suytu Vilquina: One of the 4,235 reasons to save some old varieties of potatoes from the Andes. PI 642184. Solanum tuberosum L. Landrace. CIP 702244; SUYTU VILQUINA; Q 44476. Collected 08/24/2005 in Ayacucho, Peru. Latitude 13° 1′ 12″ S. Longitude 73° 58′ 48″ W. Elevation 3600 m. P. La Mar. Hacienda Paria (San Miguel). Primitive cultivar. Tuber moth resistance. Pink tubers should show up again. This one has good berry production and should be grown to prove you are a hero. Have a look at the potatoes at this link as it could easily pass for some of these. Tollocan Fiesta: This family of seedlings should be either white, yellow, pink, or red. The yields and blight resistances are among the reasons to grow this one. Very large plants. Toro Pan: This one should segregate mostly for large red skin tubers with some white flesh and a few light yellow fleshed. The flavors will tend towards pleasant flavors. Transitions: Look for round yellow tubers with red eyes to pretty red tubers. It should offer very yellow to white flesh. The main objective is to find maturity transitions from late to very very early clones.
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Post by potatolover on Jul 16, 2011 6:59:18 GMT -8
Hi Tom! Your seeds arrived in Switzerland today Thanks a lot for the extra package! What can I expect out of Guisi? Thanks again! Steven
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 16, 2011 23:48:28 GMT -8
Well, Steven, you've given me an opportunity to write about this clone...more than I have already on other forums. I really like Guisi...that is short for the longer name --UNALM GUISI-- and I thought of you in Switzerland. I traveled through your country from Geneva to Neuchatel to Zurich and on to Innsbruck in Austria. Traveled by car and by train. Your high elevation was the reason for offering the hybrid seed of Guisi. Guisi does not set its own berries and the berries that did set are a result of being around hundreds of diverse potatoes.....mostly an international collection of potatoes and with my Skagit Valley Gold hybrids nearby...even some 4X/2X may be in the picture. The pedigree of Guisi is.... CIP 377389.2 = ((CONCHITA x YURACC TARMA) x M-1266.14) x WILA IMILLA Guisi is a variety for the southern highlands of Peru and Bolivia. It has been a high yielder down there over the last thirty years. Even though it is a 150 day potato...very late for my standards...it yielded well and has kept well. The late blight tolerance, powdery scab, and leaf miner resistance is a plus. Last year the vines were quite tolerant to the late blight clear up to harvest in mid October and only then were the leaves becoming a bit touched. The stem was very green and no blight was in the tubers. I love the look of the red tubers...light yellow flesh and an occasion blue streak in one or two tubers. The flavor was great...very much like the ones the Aymara Indians prefer. I am quite puzzled sometimes when I read about short day potatoes and 150 maturity. The male parent of Guisi is Wila Imilla has been found in many locations within Peru and Bolivia...even at 12,000 ft. elevation! Guisi is a complicated Mexican/Peruvian potato. My hybrid seed TPS will be even more complicated...hoping for a variety of insect pollinated male parents. That should mix of the short day/long day...early/late maturities to format many permutations. When I look at the tubers...no scab...smooth skin, and great keeping abilities I think why not spread this clone around through hybrid TPS? The bud end looks like the male parent a bit...recessed eyes but not so deep as Wila Imilla.... The link below always inspires me every time I read it...especially about Guillermo Simbaña....the fellow Guisi is named for. www.lamolina.edu.pe/investigacion/programa/papa/ev_guisi.htmI have TPS seedlings of the Guisi hybrid already transplanted to the field. I should photograph it along with the original Guisi. If I get any of those seedlings with viable pollen...I may wish to cross it back to the Guisi to see if I can recombine the Wila Imilla type genes. Maybe if I type the 74711 sowing number...it will help me remember to look for it. I am kinda hoping to see if any...perhaps....got crossed to interesting fleshed colored parents...or even better late blight resistant lines.... I will most certainly list some TPS of one or more the hybrid clones if they produce well and have lots of true seed. Tom Wagner
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Post by potatolover on Jul 17, 2011 2:20:07 GMT -8
Hi Tom. I've printed it out and will add it to my notes! I can always use more resistance to late blight and day length is not a problem where I am. (altitude:500m) but I will give some to friends living higher up to test too. Will probably cross them to some heavy berry setter of my own and select for berries and tolerance in the offsprings in two years. Blight is a big problem were I am and only one of my crosses shows good tolerance so far, my other 54 varieties, half of them heirlooms out of the swiss potato conservation collection only survive because they get sprayed from both sides by farmers fearing that my two rows would become a source of infection for their fields. I don't complain as long as they don't touch the berries as I've to be happy getting space on a field at all... planting in a garden results most of the time just in tiny tubers as blight starts early and the plants are already dead when the drier months start This year been an exception with all the plants begging for rain. I'll put up pictures of your varieties(plants & potatoes) and make a list what the yields were once I get results, so check my site www.kartoffelsaatgut.ch/ from time to time. Hopefully I will find the time to translate it to English soon. Best wishes, Steve
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 17, 2011 9:28:39 GMT -8
Steven, didn't we meet you as Stefan at the workshop in Switzerland? Also didn't we talk on the phone when I was in Zurich? I think my son and I were just too tired to travel the 15 miles or so to visit you just outside Zurich. We had slept on bales of hay the night before. Seems we had a lively conversation during one of the "wine tasting" breaks. Thanks for signing up as a member of the forum! I am glad you are progressing well on the potato research. I understand those growers who spray everything trying to protect themselves from late blight. I have removed myself from those kinds of growers. I do everything now without even organic sprays. Here is what I have from you links...you look familiar.... Fill us in on what is what. Oh, and by the way....even though I understand some German..... I did a translation of sorts here and took the liberty of modifying many words. For the record...here is what you have.... Thanks, Tom Wagner
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Post by potatolover on Jul 17, 2011 14:00:02 GMT -8
Hi Tom! Yes we did meet at that workshop and I'm Stefan but as most people in the English speaking world cant pronounce my name it's easier to use the translated one talking to an English man It's nice to see you with that much success and even an online shop now! congratulations! ;D I fear I wouldn't be able to do crosses without that spraying anymore as the plants start to get blight around flowering time here by now gets earlier each year... but that's the potato belt for you, the area were most potatoes are grown in switzerland... It makes testing for tolerance difficult because I have to ask gardeners with small plots were no spraying takes place for that... top pic left that's me with some berries of my hardiest variety, parents are datura and congo, as you can see it likes to set berries the flowers in the middle are some of my varieties too but cant say which ones anymore and the potatoes on the right are mayan twilight, mayan gold, blaue elise/Violetta a variety from ellenberg in Germany. Violette one of my own totally blue ones on the top left, red burgundy on the right, below that, one of my blue skinned fingerlings with a bit of blue inside too. In the middle, white flesh with blue ring that's the hardy one. Some others I cant say right now but those were just some I dug out early this year for a presentation. The second picture is even more difficult as the numbers that identify my varieties are cut away so I have to guess. What I know, they are all mine with one single exception. Second row third pic from the top are three of yours you gave me seedpotatos from at the presentation. Right below that is blueberry, the name comes from the berries right beside it. To the left of that my above mentioned hardy variety and on the right a cross with desireé I did once. the one cut open is Violette the others are some fingerlings I selected. For the rest I would have to find the original pics from last year to identify... If you want to see what heirloom varieties are grown in Switzerland got to: www.prospecierara.ch/Generator.aspx?tabindex=8&tabid=993&palias=defaultselect "Kartoffeln" and take a look! I will do a translation as soon as possible, it's actually just the intro side with me explaining why TPS is fun and everyone should try it out in his own garden...its part of a bit of a fight against the new laws repressing marketing of heirlooms in Europe!
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 18, 2011 7:05:56 GMT -8
Stefan,
Thanks for explaining the photos! The tubers you received from me were from TPS clones grown out by growers in Belgium, The Netherlands, and France. I had sent TPS to Europe earlier that year (2009) and many of those clones were dropped off in Switzerland, Austria and Denmark.
The Datura x Congo is of some interest to me. I used to grow Datura x Katahdin seedlings back in the 70's thru 90's. The better ones were crossed out to some I lines I forget right now and those lines are only in TPS collections now. Datura is a 50 plus year old variety that blooms well and has good pollen. Congo is a blue we don't have here in the states. Therefore...if you have a spare amount of that TPS available...let me know.
A similar line as your cross...Agria x Blue Blood Russet is one of mine that shows a lot of vigor and berry set. The recombinant seed of mine crossed with your recombinants would be interesting if the clones are selected for yellow/yellow or blue/blue.
I should quit typing and go transplant TPS seedlings to the field.....and make crosses.
Tom Wagner
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Post by potatolover on Jul 18, 2011 10:59:46 GMT -8
Hi Tom! Short list what's growing on the field this year on heirlooms: Blaue schweden/congo Vitolette Noir süd Blaue Neuseeländer Vitolette Noir nord Blaue Veltlin Blaue Ludiana Baked Potato Witzenhausen Waldviertler Delikates Mittelfrühe Lötschentaler Rote Oesterreicher Datura Red Burgundy Wiesner aus Wiesen Parli Wiesner aus Zillis Pfavi Virgule Béroche 8wochen Nüdeli Argauer Müsli Patate Verrayes Blauschalige Bristen Mostly Swiss, so you would have to check the page I mentioned earlier to see what the look like. They are a bit on the short side of berry production. I've only got some from congo and the blauschalige bristen and pfavi, the others make only some and then a single berry... I've selfed some of Datura x Congo and will send you what survives the hail we had yesterday night Has Datura ever set berries for you just flowering on a field? I've never seen any before I started hand pollinating and thought it male/pollen infertile. I used Datura mainly because of its good resistance against blight in my garden and together with the earliness of congo it's made a good-enough potato that sets early , lives into the blight season and even if it succumbs to it in the end it leaves nicely sized potatoes as a legacy I can send you some of what congo produced too if you want. bw, S~
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 18, 2011 20:58:32 GMT -8
Thanks for listing the heirloom potatoes that you are growing. I will have to study that list and also see if there are synonyms for them in English.
The original cross of Datura and Katahdin was using Datura as a female. Datura blooms quite well but I seem to find any records of mine or elsewhere if it has fertile pollen or not.
One of the parents of Datura is AQUILA...which shows up many times as a parental background in many European and American varieties. The tuber blight res. of Aquila is good...but crossing to foliar res. is necessary.
A distraction here but I planted 40 varieties of my special tomatoes on raised beds with plastic/drip tape today. Tomorrow I am starting raised beds and plastic/drip tape for hundreds of TPS transplants. The beds are 4 ft wide with a drip tape down the center. I will plant on either side of the tape at 10 inch spacing. I may put hoops over the top in October with clear plastic to prolong the season and to test for late season late blight infestation.
I was looking at the flats and really like the selfed pollinated Azule Rose seedlings...all look like they will be blues. Wish I had pictures. 24 little plants at the perfection of any transplants I ever had.
Tom Wagner
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Post by potatolover on Jul 19, 2011 9:48:28 GMT -8
Hi Tom! Don't think there are many synonyms most of them were collected in remote mountain valleys with just one or two families still using them. usually they have deepset eyes and sometimes are blue colored (skin or flesh). some few are fingerlings, what we call nüdeli... If you want to find out something about their pedigree you would have to talk to Philipp Holzherr <philipp.holzherr@prospecierara.ch> but as far as I know, the only known thing about them is were they got collected... With the hail yesterday lots of berries have fallen off lucky for me Congo was already dieing down anyway and I collected the berries. But that reminded me about something I wanted to ask you. When do you collect the berries? Do you wait till the plant has wilted or do you collect them earlier? how well to potato berries ripen when plucked early? I wonder because I've lots of them on the ground now and I'm not sure if I should collect them or not... I will do some crosses with Datura again next year. maybe with something I get out of your seeds. which ones would you suggest? That reminds me about something else. Something you could add in the shop too as a suggestion. Of the lines you sent me, are those all tetraploids or are some diploid? I know the Mayan lines I have are diploid, easy to see with their smaller stems and leafs and Datura is a tetra with strong stems and big leafs so I wonder... What good parent for crossing for foliar res. do you suggest? With all those tomato plants, what are you going to to with the fruits you don't use for breeding? Sound as if you could supplying a whole village with them some friends of mine have taken to the idea of making picture notes either with their mobile or a small and cheap camera ^^ not a bad idea if you write a lot of stuff online I think!
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Post by potatolover on Jul 19, 2011 9:53:17 GMT -8
I forgot: Virgule is French for comma and the same as Nüdeli(noodle) or Müsli(mouse)
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jul 19, 2011 23:52:31 GMT -8
True Potato Seed '1st Boy' True Potato Seed 'Boys Will Be' These two were originally 4x/2x and are now tetraploid True Potato Seed 'Cocoon Khuchi' rue Potato Seed 'Land Races' True Potato Seed 'Gold Thumbs' These three are diploid All the others are tetraploid About picking berries...I've written about this many times...As long as the berries are about 6 to 8 weeks from bloom to picking and vine death ....no problem....I like to pick the berries while still green and firm and allow them to 'ripen' indoors for a few weeks to many weeks or until they soften or start to rot. If berries get knocked off for any reason allow them to 'cure' for as long as possible. It seems ....unlike tomatoes....that the seed continues to 'mature' somehow within the berry....must be some kind of survival thing. Of the TPS I had sent you....Phyto Phyter and Guisi are the best....They will segregate quite a bit yet depending on what they got crossed to. I will be writing about the Phyto Phyter as soon as I catch up with other work. I am not surprised about the Swiss varieties not having an English name....more the reason for me to somehow access TPS of them. Many of those may represent some ancient germplasm floating around Europe from the last three centuries...and hopefully pre-Early Rose, but maybe similar to Daber. I want to bypass the bottle necking of having too close of genetic relationships. If I could ever get some of the rarest of the Swiss lines....I know I can't keep them for too long...but if I can get the TPS going....I could make some backcrosses to preserve a greater profile of their phenotypes. The best way to inform folks of old forgotten heritage varieties is to make new ones of them....making them more likely to re-acquaint themselves of the original!!! Tom Wagner www.bdn.ch/media/files/pdf/Mittelfruehe_Loetschentaler_red-0.pdfI know that Mittelfruehe means Mid Early and the other name a locale or person's name?
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Post by potatolover on Jul 20, 2011 9:55:47 GMT -8
Thanks Tom ! You will really have to talk to Philipp Holzherr! He might be able to send certified virus free seed potatoes/mini-tubers to you and do it even for free if you explain your work to him! www.prospecierara.ch/Generator.aspx?tabindex=10&tabid=587&palias=defaultThey cleaned all the lines and have in-vitro and insito programs running for them. Would be better for crosses too, because I've found only three of them to produce berries on their own so-far.. I think they even got material from Congo cleaned... If that doesn't work I can easily send you some seed of those that produce berries.. I've thought about donating some of my potatoes to them too. As you know it's difficult to find enough land to plant each year and some look nice enough to keep for future generations (I think). Not sure if they want them yet.. have to talk to them some more.. You are right with Mid Early and Lötschentaler or Loetschentaler is a valley in Switzerland: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6tschentalMost of those heirlooms were conserved in higher regions where aphids are scarce or at least free of potato viruses to transmit
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