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Post by DarJones on Jan 30, 2015 16:36:01 GMT -8
Village Books - Bellingham, Washington - Wednesday, February 11, 7 PM
Swansons Nursery - Seattle, Washington, Saturday February 14, 1 PM
Northwest Flower and Garden Show, Seattle - workshops on February 14 (6:45 PM) and 15 (3:15 PM)
Just a heads up that Craig will be at these locations mid February.
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Post by Tom Wagner on Jan 31, 2015 6:24:30 GMT -8
Craig Lehoullier book is going to give him the gravitas he needs. I probably should try to meet him. Many folks have grown his Cherokee Purple and many have grown by Green Zebra...I can't imagine what some of the folks attending these book signing might think of the two of us together. Craig and I have not been in close communication much on tomatoville or otherwise.
I suppose I should realize that book signings when one has a book out is a way to get out and meet the public. All the more reason for me to get one out some day.
Craig mentioned Green Zebra in his book but I don't think he mentioned me directly, but then again I only skimmed the book on my Kindle.
Craig is one of those tomato folks who somehow has a quirkiness about my Green Zebra....
The GZ has been around in its present form since 1972...not the mid 1970's and the creation of it actually begins many years before...and by the standards of fifty years it may already be an Heirloom. Craig has been noted for repeating that GZ is not a true heirloom. Why or why? Why is GZ singled out when it is most often the most recognized "heirloom" tomato variety.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 11:34:24 GMT -8
Craig Lehoullier book is going to give him the gravitas he needs. I probably should try to meet him. Many folks have grown his Cherokee Purple and many have grown by Green Zebra...I can't imagine what some of the folks attending these book signing might think of the two of us together. Craig and I have not been in close communication much on tomatoville or otherwise. I suppose I should realize that book signings when one has a book out is a way to get out and meet the public. All the more reason for me to get one out some day. Craig mentioned Green Zebra in his book but I don't think he mentioned me directly, but then again I only skimmed the book on my Kindle. Craig is one of those tomato folks who somehow has a quirkiness about my Green Zebra....The GZ has been around in its present form since 1972...not the mid 1970's and the creation of it actually begins many years before...and by the standards of fifty years it may already be an Heirloom. Craig has been noted for repeating that GZ is not a true heirloom. Why or why? Why is GZ singled out when it is most often the most recognized "heirloom" tomato variety. Many times people do not have all the information; in those cases they make uninformed comments. I would suggest getting in contact with him and giving him the Green Zebra story that can only come from The Source [which is you]. Craig is a great guy so I am sure he would amend his aforementioned statements if you talk to him and give him the true Green Zebra story. Have you put out an article on the whole story of Green Zebra to the public at large Tom? |
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Post by DarJones on Jan 31, 2015 13:13:34 GMT -8
I would concur with Craig that Green Zebra is not technically an heirloom. It gets down to the criteria that are used to define "heirloom" as applied to a tomato. I tend to think of heirlooms as varieties that have been passed down for generations within a family. By this standard, Box Car Willie and Muleteam are not heirlooms because they are recently created varieties. Cherokee Purple is an heirloom because it has a traceable history dating back about 100 years. Green Zebra happens to be a very good tomato in the tart zingy category. The only other really good tomato in that group is Jaune Flamme which is a good flavored tart orange. I have plenty of customers who ask for Green Zebra by name because it delivers that "lemon" tart flavor they want. So call it what you want, as long as people ask for it by name, I will grow it! This reminds me that I need to start a few Green Zebra to cross with the super high sugar Sunlucky line that I am growing. It peaks around 12% sugar which is double most tomatoes. The flavor is similar to Brandywine. www.selectedplants.com/miscan/sunlucky2a.jpg |
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 1, 2015 22:50:36 GMT -8
Rob, by webmaster, wants me to write a book that is self published. I suppose one would get more book signings if a major publisher was involved. I guarantee you it would not have a rehash of so many tomato books about which I find boring.
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Post by DarJones on Feb 4, 2015 17:46:07 GMT -8
Tom, It is worth considering. It would take a year or two to write something good enough to sell on Amazon.
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Post by paquebot on Feb 7, 2015 23:19:45 GMT -8
Inasmuch as Green Zebra was in existence before the term "heirloom" was uzed to describe anything but antiques or beans, hard to argue against it. Reminds me of another book with 100 "heirlooms" of which 7 or 8 are younger than Wisconsin 55 which supposedly isn't one. When Dottie Schultz of Jung's was informed of that, she put it in a class all by itself, "Famous"!
Martin
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 8, 2015 0:09:16 GMT -8
Dottie Schultz of Jung worked as a catalog manager I believe...couldn't find out much about her on the internet and could not find the reference to 'famous' and/or heirloom. Carol Deppe wants heirloom style tomatoes bred with late blight resistance and what do you suppose the "purists" will say about those creations? I think we all know that "heirloom" is a catch all phrase that at one time might have been called specialty, old time, unique, rare, odd, unusual, different, obscure, non-professional, hand-me-downs, yesteryear, non-hybrid, Open Pollinated, seed saver types, etc. Need I go on? Since so many collector type tomato varieties have emerged over the years.....I suggest everyone to just accept the hyperbole of the term "heirloom" and just settle for the expanded usage of the term. Good Grief! Thanks, Martin, for mentioning Dottie.
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Post by paquebot on Feb 8, 2015 12:00:05 GMT -8
In the Jung's catalog, the tomatoes are divided between hybrids and heirlooms. Wisconsin 55 is not in either. It's listed separate as "The Famous Wisconsin 55".
Martin
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Post by DarJones on Feb 8, 2015 13:27:30 GMT -8
Wisconsin 55 dates to 1947 which makes it 68 years old. It is a university developed variety specifically bred with traits for production in north central states with cool humid summer conditions. IMO, it would be a very good starting point to introgress late blight tolerance via ph2 and ph3. I would very much like to have a few more choices for late blight tolerant yellow tomatoes too so don't forget to add Wisconsin 55 Gold to the list of crosses to make.
Wisconsin 55 - Breeder: Univ. of Wisconsin, Madison. Parentage: selection from crosses involving John Baer, Del Monte, Early Biltmore, and Redskin as parents. Characteristics: very large fruit. Resistance: early blight, tolerant to fusarium wilt. Adaptation: regionally to the North Central states. Wis. Agr. Expt. Sta. Bul. 478, 1958. 1947.
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Post by jwr on Feb 8, 2015 15:00:44 GMT -8
Why is GZ singled out when it is most often the most recognized "heirloom" tomato variety. You could maybe trace it back to the fact that your own website says "Not heirlooms, not commercial varieties..." see banner photo #5. Heirloom is a term for tomatoes that have been around a certain length of time. Heirloom or not heirloom isn't a hierarchy as far as I'm concerned, not in the minds of most other semi-serious growers... just a technical term that doesn't fit green zebra as of yet. |
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Post by paquebot on Feb 8, 2015 21:33:57 GMT -8
I like the way Johnny's handles Green Zebra. "Though technically not an heirloom, we feel that this is the best place to list it". SSE public catalog has carried it for a number of years and that's where I bought it 10+ years ago.
As for the accession of Wisconsin 55, its only named grandparent was Early Baltimore, not Biltmore.
Martin
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Post by Tom Wagner on Feb 16, 2015 1:48:30 GMT -8
For the record. I went to Craig's talk at the Seattle Swansons Nursery Feb. 14. He recognized me right off. I recorded the entire one hour presentation on my I phone but I know nothing about posting it anywhere...I can't send it anywhere as it is too long to send. If I can figure out how to hook my iphone up in Europe ....i may show it during a workshop or two.
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Post by kctomato on Feb 17, 2015 7:38:07 GMT -8
Just need an adapter to hook into a TV.
There are several based on what generation phone you have (30 pin or quick connector) and what access the TV has AV ports or HDMI.
If you shot the video with the camera "tall" it will appear smaller with black boxes on the sides. Best to shoot video in landscape mode with the "home" button on the right side.
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Post by kctomato on Feb 17, 2015 7:41:41 GMT -8
You could load the video to YouTube. It really isn't hard to do but I suspect they may not let a new account upload an hour long video.
There are free apps (up loaders) that will upload and break up the video in segments. You'll just need a YouTube account (really a Google account) so it can go through it to up load.
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